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		<title>Comment on Trust; Through Deception Thou Shalt Wage War by admin</title>
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		<description>If you want to learn about deception and particularly Soviet Trust Deceptions, visit www.quikmaneuvers.com.

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@Bill - I see we took the the same assessment of the Cold Spy :-)

In more detail, his 11 points arent even 11 points - obviously Cold Spy wants to make use of the Digg effect where numbered lists seem to get much more prominence...

The overarching issue I have with it, and all similar analysis postings, is that we are working from a position of vast ignorance. We have no idea what risks were assessed and tolerated, what other risks were mitigated against and what other constraints the operation was planned under. Its trivial for *us* to sit at our PC (or Mac for the weirdos) and discuss what *we* would or wouldnt have done based on our assumptions (normally along the lines of Mossad operators are superhuman, no risk is acceptable, one man can do the job of 20 etc. I blame Bourne for this).

So, of the 11 points:

1 - not a mistake. A best this is an operational decision they may not use again. However it may well be the case that a passport that has &quot;lived&quot; on international travel systems will get less scrutiny than one belonging to an adult who has only just bothered to get it. Even middle eastern countries try to screen out terrorists....

2 - Not really a mistake unless the operational decision had been to hide their faces. That said, if you were at a border control point and someone came through trying to disguise their face, what would you do? (allowing entry is probably low on the list)

3 - How do you know they didnt? We assume they didnt and they may well not have but given the widespread surprise about how well the Dubai police reacted to this and built an evidence pack, its possible they did indeed make that mistake. Its also possible that Mossad (or whoever) accepted this risk and, as others have said, given that not one of the team have been found yet it seems an acceptable risk to me.

4 - not a mistake at all, in fact this is probably fairly good operational practice depending on the goal. If they didnt know where the target would be, they have to make sure they are as flexible as possible so getting several locations is good. This activity did not lead to their plan being compromised and only came to light *after* they had left the country. Is this a mistake or an operational judgement?

5 - I dont understand why this is a mistake at all, so I might have misread it. I will withold judgement in case someone can explain it a bit better.

6 - I am not sure this is a mistake or significantly differrent from #3. The mistake may well have been to hope that the police would assume natural causes and not investigate and if everything else was built on that these decisions cease to be mistakes. Can an operational decision that has no negative impact on the outcome of the operation be called a mistake? It seems to me that (again assuming Mossad) this is a message that cuts both ways. One country can say &quot;dont do it on our soil&quot; (but if you do, we wont catch you) and the other says &quot;You arent safe anywhere.&quot; Either way its good PR if you are that way inclined.

7 - this is 6 repeated.

8 - If they did this with 11 people I am impressed. Unless that 1 person is Jason Bourne, James Bond or similar, its not possible. Even a street robbery would need more than 1 person. The key is that this is not a street robbery, so unlike a crack addict robber they have to factor lots and lots of things into the equation - not least of which is controlling who is in the vicinity at the time of the attack. A street robber is attacking any person who passes, this is an attack on a specific person. Massive difference and one that needs lots and lots of people.

9 - pretty much contradicts everything else. Why is it harder for a film to fake a car crash than to have one in real life? In real life things just happen, a mugger just stabs their victim. In a staged attack things have to be set up to look real enough without leaving any loose ends. If you go down the cut out, which you then kill route, it gets even more confusing (do you kill the killer, and the killer of the killer&#039;s killer etc). Madness and I have never heard of it happening in real life (*).

10 - how is this a mistake? Not only is more time in country more dangerous (risk of compromise) but how do we know the attacking agency had that much notice? Even once they have the solid intelligence plans have to be made, budgets checked, authority granted etc. Why would more time have led to it being called off? Was the target planning to visit a load of low security countries? (Do any still exist?). It strkes me their plan was reasonably well thought out but everything carries risk.

11 - see 6 again.

Overall, no mistakes. Risks were taken and some of these risks were realised. If this never happened, they wouldnt be risks.

We could argue all day as to if the organisation which did this was right to accept all these risks but we dont know what else they considered.

As anyone who works in security knows even with the best will in the world, with flawless execution sometimes the residual risk happens.

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(*) but then I wouldnt... 

Posted by: GreenSquirrel at March 22, 2010 9:50 AM</description>
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<p>@Bill &#8211; I see we took the the same assessment of the Cold Spy <img src='http://www.thecoldspy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In more detail, his 11 points arent even 11 points &#8211; obviously Cold Spy wants to make use of the Digg effect where numbered lists seem to get much more prominence&#8230;</p>
<p>The overarching issue I have with it, and all similar analysis postings, is that we are working from a position of vast ignorance. We have no idea what risks were assessed and tolerated, what other risks were mitigated against and what other constraints the operation was planned under. Its trivial for *us* to sit at our PC (or Mac for the weirdos) and discuss what *we* would or wouldnt have done based on our assumptions (normally along the lines of Mossad operators are superhuman, no risk is acceptable, one man can do the job of 20 etc. I blame Bourne for this).</p>
<p>So, of the 11 points:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; not a mistake. A best this is an operational decision they may not use again. However it may well be the case that a passport that has &#8220;lived&#8221; on international travel systems will get less scrutiny than one belonging to an adult who has only just bothered to get it. Even middle eastern countries try to screen out terrorists&#8230;.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; Not really a mistake unless the operational decision had been to hide their faces. That said, if you were at a border control point and someone came through trying to disguise their face, what would you do? (allowing entry is probably low on the list)</p>
<p>3 &#8211; How do you know they didnt? We assume they didnt and they may well not have but given the widespread surprise about how well the Dubai police reacted to this and built an evidence pack, its possible they did indeed make that mistake. Its also possible that Mossad (or whoever) accepted this risk and, as others have said, given that not one of the team have been found yet it seems an acceptable risk to me.</p>
<p>4 &#8211; not a mistake at all, in fact this is probably fairly good operational practice depending on the goal. If they didnt know where the target would be, they have to make sure they are as flexible as possible so getting several locations is good. This activity did not lead to their plan being compromised and only came to light *after* they had left the country. Is this a mistake or an operational judgement?</p>
<p>5 &#8211; I dont understand why this is a mistake at all, so I might have misread it. I will withold judgement in case someone can explain it a bit better.</p>
<p>6 &#8211; I am not sure this is a mistake or significantly differrent from #3. The mistake may well have been to hope that the police would assume natural causes and not investigate and if everything else was built on that these decisions cease to be mistakes. Can an operational decision that has no negative impact on the outcome of the operation be called a mistake? It seems to me that (again assuming Mossad) this is a message that cuts both ways. One country can say &#8220;dont do it on our soil&#8221; (but if you do, we wont catch you) and the other says &#8220;You arent safe anywhere.&#8221; Either way its good PR if you are that way inclined.</p>
<p>7 &#8211; this is 6 repeated.</p>
<p>8 &#8211; If they did this with 11 people I am impressed. Unless that 1 person is Jason Bourne, James Bond or similar, its not possible. Even a street robbery would need more than 1 person. The key is that this is not a street robbery, so unlike a crack addict robber they have to factor lots and lots of things into the equation &#8211; not least of which is controlling who is in the vicinity at the time of the attack. A street robber is attacking any person who passes, this is an attack on a specific person. Massive difference and one that needs lots and lots of people.</p>
<p>9 &#8211; pretty much contradicts everything else. Why is it harder for a film to fake a car crash than to have one in real life? In real life things just happen, a mugger just stabs their victim. In a staged attack things have to be set up to look real enough without leaving any loose ends. If you go down the cut out, which you then kill route, it gets even more confusing (do you kill the killer, and the killer of the killer&#8217;s killer etc). Madness and I have never heard of it happening in real life (*).</p>
<p>10 &#8211; how is this a mistake? Not only is more time in country more dangerous (risk of compromise) but how do we know the attacking agency had that much notice? Even once they have the solid intelligence plans have to be made, budgets checked, authority granted etc. Why would more time have led to it being called off? Was the target planning to visit a load of low security countries? (Do any still exist?). It strkes me their plan was reasonably well thought out but everything carries risk.</p>
<p>11 &#8211; see 6 again.</p>
<p>Overall, no mistakes. Risks were taken and some of these risks were realised. If this never happened, they wouldnt be risks.</p>
<p>We could argue all day as to if the organisation which did this was right to accept all these risks but we dont know what else they considered.</p>
<p>As anyone who works in security knows even with the best will in the world, with flawless execution sometimes the residual risk happens.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
(*) but then I wouldnt&#8230; </p>
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		<title>Comment on Terrorism 101; Jihad Jane by admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think for awhile it will boil down to just that, protecting only those close to us. Standing to principal however and having strength in numbers is a very good idea. Good post SP, very good post.




&lt;em&gt;For over a thousand years, Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of a triumph - a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeters and musicians and strange animals from the conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conqueror rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children, robed in white, stood with him in the chariot, or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror, holding a golden crown, and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
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<p><em>For over a thousand years, Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of a triumph &#8211; a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeters and musicians and strange animals from the conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conqueror rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children, robed in white, stood with him in the chariot, or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror, holding a golden crown, and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting. </em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Terrorism 101; Jihad Jane by ServingPatriot</title>
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		<description>Well Cold Spy, I guess that means the best we can do is turn inward, hunker down and protect only the closest to us?

I don&#039;t think that this is a strategy that serves one well when the weight of numbers or, heaven forbid, the eye of the national security state falls upon you with its full force.  

No, I say we should stand to principle, even as they are grounded in hope, and work to knit together the like minded.  There is strength in numbers.  

Of course, this task is much easier with our own &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW6HbZXI9Y0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;V&quot;&lt;/a&gt; appears on the scene.

SP

&lt;i&gt;this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin, van guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Cold Spy, I guess that means the best we can do is turn inward, hunker down and protect only the closest to us?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that this is a strategy that serves one well when the weight of numbers or, heaven forbid, the eye of the national security state falls upon you with its full force.  </p>
<p>No, I say we should stand to principle, even as they are grounded in hope, and work to knit together the like minded.  There is strength in numbers.  </p>
<p>Of course, this task is much easier with our own <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW6HbZXI9Y0" rel="nofollow">&#8220;V&#8221;</a> appears on the scene.</p>
<p>SP</p>
<p><i>this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin, van guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.</i></p>
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		<description>No, the target went to Dubai alone. #8 has been debated a number of times. I think one or two people would have been more productive. However so far none of them have been caught, therefore, so far, it is a success to some degree for those who carried it out. Only time will tell how successful it actually was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the target went to Dubai alone. #8 has been debated a number of times. I think one or two people would have been more productive. However so far none of them have been caught, therefore, so far, it is a success to some degree for those who carried it out. Only time will tell how successful it actually was.</p>
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		<description>Great article!  I&#039;m not sure that you&#039;re right about #8, though.  Didn&#039;t the Hamas arms dealer have a body guard?  I would definitely have a body guard, and you wouldn&#039;t catch me in any dark alleys, or even really on the street at all, if I were an arms dealer.  I would say to myself, &quot;I just bought a bunch of weapons from Iran, and sold them in Gaza.  I&#039;ll take a cab.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!  I&#8217;m not sure that you&#8217;re right about #8, though.  Didn&#8217;t the Hamas arms dealer have a body guard?  I would definitely have a body guard, and you wouldn&#8217;t catch me in any dark alleys, or even really on the street at all, if I were an arms dealer.  I would say to myself, &#8220;I just bought a bunch of weapons from Iran, and sold them in Gaza.  I&#8217;ll take a cab.&#8221;</p>
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		<description>The problem is getting enough people involved to make change happen. One believed in one person, and change they could believe in. In the end, that trust and bond was in fact not delivered. The many who voted for change lost. Education about rights that are lost or not followed by certain groups is a fine t6hing. The internet has a huge catalog of lies, half truths and misstatements by government to fill volumes of books. However what does that accomplish? In the end it says to me that change we can believe in was nothing more than an election slogan. I recently watched a documentary about Nixon in the early days. He also used vote for &quot;change you can believe in&quot; back in early campaigns he ran when running for congress. Funny how we suddenly forgot the slogans of old. The silent majority is another phrase that Nixon coined. And here we are in 2010 with almost the same type of actions going on as we had back then. Wars that have no end, joblessness, recession/depression, street protests over various causes and unfulfilled dreams, and the list goes on and on. So, what has changed since then? Nothing. Those that had patience gained nothing for having it. However, we always have hope that gets mixed into it, thus creating another generation of people who will believe in the same type of sloganeering and propaganda by politicians as we march towards whatever future awaits us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is getting enough people involved to make change happen. One believed in one person, and change they could believe in. In the end, that trust and bond was in fact not delivered. The many who voted for change lost. Education about rights that are lost or not followed by certain groups is a fine t6hing. The internet has a huge catalog of lies, half truths and misstatements by government to fill volumes of books. However what does that accomplish? In the end it says to me that change we can believe in was nothing more than an election slogan. I recently watched a documentary about Nixon in the early days. He also used vote for &#8220;change you can believe in&#8221; back in early campaigns he ran when running for congress. Funny how we suddenly forgot the slogans of old. The silent majority is another phrase that Nixon coined. And here we are in 2010 with almost the same type of actions going on as we had back then. Wars that have no end, joblessness, recession/depression, street protests over various causes and unfulfilled dreams, and the list goes on and on. So, what has changed since then? Nothing. Those that had patience gained nothing for having it. However, we always have hope that gets mixed into it, thus creating another generation of people who will believe in the same type of sloganeering and propaganda by politicians as we march towards whatever future awaits us all.</p>
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		<description>Until enough people wise up and get involved in re-claiming their rights, there is no answer.

Sadly.

In the meantime, those who are wise must continue to educate (openly and sub-rosa) the as yet uninformed.  Every day those living by the &quot;separate set of books&quot; give plenty of examples by their actions.  These cannot be denied - even by the true believers - and creat a powerful dissonance that reinforces the education.  By this method, enough righteous anger and a large enough (silent) majority is built.  And available when the time for change actually arrives.

IOW, patience pays.

SP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until enough people wise up and get involved in re-claiming their rights, there is no answer.</p>
<p>Sadly.</p>
<p>In the meantime, those who are wise must continue to educate (openly and sub-rosa) the as yet uninformed.  Every day those living by the &#8220;separate set of books&#8221; give plenty of examples by their actions.  These cannot be denied &#8211; even by the true believers &#8211; and creat a powerful dissonance that reinforces the education.  By this method, enough righteous anger and a large enough (silent) majority is built.  And available when the time for change actually arrives.</p>
<p>IOW, patience pays.</p>
<p>SP</p>
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		<description>I agree. The constitution has been thrown out in favor of a government that sets its own rules and keeps a separate set of books. Rules they live by, and rules others beneath them have to live by. So what is the answer to this problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The constitution has been thrown out in favor of a government that sets its own rules and keeps a separate set of books. Rules they live by, and rules others beneath them have to live by. So what is the answer to this problem?</p>
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